Bring back the viewable player report threads

#21
I think that they should only be viewable by: 1. The person(s) being reported. 2. The person making the report. 3. The relevant staff members. 
This way: 1. The person(s) being reported can properly defend themselves, and provide evidence if applicable. 2. The person making the report can provide supplemental incriminating evidence as necessary or desired. 3. The staff members overseeing the report can then come to a conclusion based on the net evidence. 

Other than that, I don’t think it’s anyone else’s business. Go farm your points somewhere else.


@Jerome The Steam ID Of the reported player is always required, and so I’d hope forum staff would possess the ability to add them to the list of authorized users. If not - pls delete this post as it’s irrelevant.
There’s two types of people: 1. Those who joined the forums to appeal a ban, and 2. Those who did not. 

Which one are you?
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#22
(01-31-2021, 06:36 PM)TheDoorReturns Wrote: I think that they should only be viewable by: 1. The person(s) being reported. 2. The person making the report. 3. The relevant staff members. 
This way: 1. The person(s) being reported can properly defend themselves, and provide evidence if applicable. 2. The person making the report can provide supplemental incriminating evidence as necessary or desired. 3. The staff members overseeing the report can then come to a conclusion based on the net evidence. 

Other than that, I don’t think it’s anyone else’s business. Go farm your points somewhere else.


How do you propose making the person who was reported able to view the thread?
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(01-31-2021, 06:39 PM)Jerome Wrote:
(01-31-2021, 06:36 PM)TheDoorReturns Wrote: I think that they should only be viewable by: 1. The person(s) being reported. 2. The person making the report. 3. The relevant staff members. 
This way: 1. The person(s) being reported can properly defend themselves, and provide evidence if applicable. 2. The person making the report can provide supplemental incriminating evidence as necessary or desired. 3. The staff members overseeing the report can then come to a conclusion based on the net evidence. 

Other than that, I don’t think it’s anyone else’s business. Go farm your points somewhere else.


How do you propose making the person who was reported able to view the thread?

I would think that unless the player's ID is mentioned as it's supposed to in the report and they are specifically @d, and the forums supported a function like that, it would be impossible. 

Nevertheless, the highest up is making it clear that he wants that sections private. As this change happened right after a report on a MC admin where people took days collectively roasting that admin and one of the co-owners (at the time), people began to believe that the section went private as a punishment. Lots of useful data which sometimes went overlooked in ban appeals, player reports, and staff apps was hidden from the community because of this. And that report happened on a staff report, not a player report, so the response seems misdirected. 

A proper response would have been to either: 
  1. impose stricter moderation on responses, with a strict set of guidelines on posts
  2. for there to be a delay before comments get to be seen by the public, where after a set amount of time they would get automatically posted. and with forum staff having the opportunity to view it and delete any questionable content/issue warns. 
(when it comes to editing a response to insert content that was already deleted, that could be handled the same way it is now)
this change can apply to the other serious sections as well, such as server/community staff apps and ban appeals
one can argue that it's too much work for the forum staff to do this, but this wouldn't add to the workload on current forum staff whatsoever and can't objectively be considered censorship. 

Some shortfalls of the previous report section: 

I remember observing some reports that were preemptively closed by forum staff despite wrong having been done due to some overwhelming +1s or bullying of the reporter/convincing the reporter that wrong was not committed when wrong was committed, so that a popular person didn't get punished. 

On the flip side- seeing wrong not being committed but people +1 the report either out of irony or because they dislike the person over some other wrong committed.

This really showed that both +1'ing and -1'ing reports began to have zero bearing on the outcome and would only ever complicate things while someone dealing with a report would have to rationalize whatever the post someone would make was, or just blow it off as spam. The quickest way to stop it was to make it private.   

Forum point farming was rampant and begins to subjectify the content. We need staff to be able to come to their own conclusions, not have it clouded with unnecessary or joke +1s. 

All of these concerns are assuaged with the response I detailed above. The community would still be able to have input but questionable content would have the chance to be deleted/stopped by forum staff before it reaches the public. 



If the section is ever opened up again, there will likely be a set of rules to go with it to prevent clutter and point farming. 
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#24
+1 i need some form of entertainment so please bring this back right now !!! >:(
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#25
+1 please allowed the reported to have a voice like everyone elis dose
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#26
bruh why no ones made this in the suggestions section
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