Pierre's Staff Manager Application

#21
+1 Very strong application. I really appreciate the effort you put into explaining how you would act as SM and think you have a good plan.
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#22
Quote:I do have some critique though.

Pierre, with respect to incidents of pedophilia in the community (we have quite the list at this stage), you did say at one point:

"We have these systems in place to protect the victims that have already gone through enough" 


Pierre, what are these systems? Could you confidently describe them? Are they sufficient?

I am of the understanding that these matters are dealt with on a case-by-case basis by managers and are largely discretionary. That is to say, nothing is written down, (e.g. staff is simply to be told what to do as situations arise or are expected to know what to do when these incidents arise). You would think staff (and managers) would have 'common sense', there are some things they obviously should and should not do... but vague notions of 'common sense' have done us no good (cF former staff manager).



Do not think I am doubting your abilities, I am quite confident you would exercise discretion in these sensitive matters better than any existing candidates in lieu of your comments. I am more concerned with the lack of written guidance on this issue (which repeatedly comes up) and what you understand of 'the systems', 'the guidance' the staff team receives when these incidents arise and whether you think they are acceptable.


So over my nearly year of activity, I have (thank god) only been here to see one cban occur for a community risk, and I’ve never really been able to get a full insight into the process that goes into a cban. My understanding is, evidence is submitted either in severe reports or brought to a super, then a manager meeting is scheduled in which they discuss the evidence and vote on a cban, based on a relatively case-by-case structure. I’m sorry if this is incorrect, I could’ve asked around however for the purpose of what you asked, I wanted to be as true to what I know as possible.

When I said we have these systems, I was more referring to how we have the system of ideally protecting the victim from the community risk without revealing their identity by keeping the matter between supers. Unfortunately, this is a relatively difficult ideal to uphold. The victim seems to always be revealed. One way or another, whether that be the victim confiding in untrustworthy friends/staff, or the community risk going and telling anyone who will still listen, it gets out. Like I said in that post:
“This can never happen again.”
And I intend to uphold that as a super. After having worked on a situation similar to this (helping compile evidence and reporting on behalf of another), I can say this process is far too slow and frustrating in its current state. Whether that be the inactivity/lack of supers during when I had to do all of this or how this has always been, it needs to be changed.

Now going into a super position, I think it would be essential to work with the other managers to develop a sort of fundamental process on what exactly to do as soon as we receive a report to be far more proactive in the process. While the severe report section works, I feel in its current state it discourages reporting as it feels almost like you’re talking into a void. Perhaps updates to the reporter and greater transparency on what is going on could be provided to them to reassure them that it is actually being tended to. Furthermore, I think there should be a standard procedure given to players/staff that need to report.

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Ok there is only ONE but this one bothers me quite a lot and is going to go against the wave of people voting. 

You are very easily manipulated. I don't know if it's your over trusting nature or your carefree happy go lucky attitude, but you have many times been convinced by banned people to vouche for them, despite what they been banned for was pretty severe. 

We are talking about people who want forgiveness, those same people who knew what they were doing, what their intention was, and alt accounted around their bans, managed to convince you to vouche for them. Since you are going into such an important position, something like that cannot be ignored either.


I think I know the instances that you are referring to. When it comes to scripting, I’ve always been a skeptic. In the past I’ve seen staff claim players are bhop scripting but are looking for the wrong things, or aimbot/wallhacks with insufficient evidence when it is so difficult to prove with the current tools we have. I’m not an expert on catching gmod scripters, nor do I claim to be, therefore my philosophy is “better safe than sorry.”

Regarding my support for a lot of bans of this nature, I only no longer stand by one of my votes (I’ll dm you and if anyone else would like to know you can ask). The only reason for my reconsideration is seeing how opposed the community was to their return. While it’s true I went out of my way to try and convince the team to hear out my reasoning, that was because I felt the specifics surrounding the original ban weren’t definitive enough. I had spoken to them before, and while they were indeed vying for sympathy, it didn’t affect my decision-making on how to vote as I was arguing for the principle, not the person (this was a large reason I have now reconsidered by vote, as I didn't put enough thought into WHO I was vouching for). 

Regarding the rest of my opinions on banned members, many of them were done without having ever spoken to the player I was vouching for, meaning I had little to no interaction out of game. An example of this would be my response and vote regarding this appeal:

(I’d be happy to continue this discussion in dms as it’s tough to converse here without mentioning specifics)
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#23
+1

Really strong application and I think Pierre as staff manager is what the team needs.

Don’t see why not!

Good luck


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#24
Hearing from what the others have said, I'm sure you'd do well as the Staff Manager. I haven't had any bad interactions with you, and the times I've seen you staffing were positive! This is an applicant that I think definitely deserves a shot to be the next Staff Manager.

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#25
Big +1

Since the first time I encountered Pierre on the server, he has stuck out as someone who understands that this is a game and we are all here to have fun. His staffing style embodies this attitude and it's something we desperately need more of. Pierre doesn't take things too seriously, is approachable and friendly, and seems to do a good job handling situations that require attention without making mountains out of molehills. He has also shown himself to take principled stances on important matters, proving that he can be serious when need be and bring a refreshing amount of spine to situations in which backbone is often disappointingly hard to come by.

Seeing as this position should mostly revolve around communicating and coordinating with the staff team, I'll have to defer to other staff on how capable Pierre has shown himself to be in this regard, but with what I've seen of his attitude and interactions with the player base, it's hard for me to imagine there are many valid concerns on that front. 

My only real concern is that we generally see supers drop off dramatically in terms of playtime on the server and I like seeing Pierre online. Overall I think Pierre is the best applicant for this position, and as long as he promises to continue playing on the server, I hope he gets the role.
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+1 agreed with ronaldo 100%
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Pierre has tremendously done well since his time of being on the staff team. He’s hosted a few meetings since I became staff and has done well communicating with the rest of the team during those. He has a very good personality and very approachable. 

I’m voting +1 on this application. Best of Luck.  
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#28
Hello Pierre!

So I just wanted to give a little feedback myself. I know you cleared up the inactivity but in my opinion, you disappear a lot. Whether it's with work or school, you seem to vanish. And I understand life happens but as a Staff Manager, you can't just disappear.. I've also seen some other concerning stuff. Such as you ERPing in the CY with a group of people, force arresting some random student because you "didn't want to hear their voice anymore" both while you were staff. What happens if there is a staff member you don't like? Are you going to demote them so you don't hear their voice anymore? I just don't feel comfortable coming to you about anything right now. I don't want to sound harsh or come off as rude but this is my opinion.

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So I had a long talk with Pierre about the issues I had with him. It'll take time to learn to trust him again but I'll be changing my vote to a neutral at this time. Time will tell if this will change although there isn't much time left.
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#29
(10-21-2021, 10:04 PM)Jacy Nayeli Shoelace Wrote:
Hello Pierre!

So I just wanted to give a little feedback myself. I know you cleared up the inactivity but in my opinion, you disappear a lot. Whether it's with work or school, you seem to vanish. And I understand life happens but as a Staff Manager, you can't just disappear.. I've also seen some other concerning stuff. Such as you ERPing in the CY with a group of people, force arresting some random student because you "didn't want to hear their voice anymore" both while you were staff. What happens if there is a staff member you don't like? Are you going to demote them so you don't hear their voice anymore? I just don't feel comfortable coming to you about anything right now. I don't want to sound harsh or come off as rude but this is my opinion.

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So I had a long talk with Pierre about the issues I had with him. It'll take time to learn to trust him again but I'll be changing my vote to a neutral at this time. Time will tell if this will change although there isn't much time left.
Hey Denali!

So like you said, we spoke at length on discord, however I still want to post here to clarify some of the claims to the community since I’ve had people reach out to me with concerns on what you said.

I’d like to speak about the ERP thing first. When I saw your comment I first couldn’t recall any instance of me doing this, but after speaking with you further I understand what you’re talking about. About 7 months ago, my philosophy as a staff member was to try and solve issues within RP as opposed to taking a sit when I could. While I still do this today for stuff such as ARDM (if someone is hitting someone with verdi I’ll try to stop it before they kill them), back then I tried to do that with essentially anything but hatespeech. We have a different recollection of what happened, but from what I can remember, 2 first or second years were erping, and I was like “Hey stop! But seriously don’t do stuff like that.” To my knowledge I never participated in the ERP, but instead handled it poorly. Even when I was at the height of my minging days (prior to becoming staff), I never ERPed as I find it horrendously gross..I’ve since changed how I staff and was even spoken to about this incident by Justin and have rethought and refined when I choose to intervene as a staff member. 

I’ll also address some of your other points. I like to think that I’m consistently active in the community, however, when I’m gone, I agree I’m gone. The two times (like stated before) that come to mind are the beginning of the summer and the beginning of college. Both times I’ve taken LOA and these breaks have been purely due to lack of time as opposed to lack of interest. While both of these LOA’s haven’t lasted more than ~3 weeks, I’ve seriously considered resigning both times as one of my biggest fears is becoming a staff member that doesn’t belong on the team. While an overreaction by myself from simply not getting on for a few weeks, I am constantly looking at how engaged I am in the community and as a super will be critical of myself on how much time I dedicate.

Lastly, I wanted to discuss the force arrest thing. While I can’t recall this exact instance, I’ll admit it sounds like something I could’ve done a while ago (specifically prior to the staff report on me from Trotters). I brought this up in my app about my struggle in the past to control my impulses and have since reformed how I use my staffing powers. I agree this is something unacceptable that I did and it no longer represents how I am currently.

Edit: I also wanted to say this is just how I recall these situations and am in no way trying to override your concerns. I really am sorry that these situations made you feel like you couldn't trust me. I will do better and prove you wrong (as well as any others that feel this way) if I am to become staff manager.
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I have no idea how this staff application flew over my head, I didn't see this staff application at all. I just saw Myranda's and Satia's apps. But I retract my statement when I said that Satia's application was the most suited for staff manager due to me JUST finding out now that not only David [which was an insanely good staff member] applied but also you had applied as well. Don't take it as an insult, I don't think Satia was a bad staff at all, I just think there are members that are far more suited for the position than others. Pierre is just a different breed, no facetious talk or exaggeration, he really is. Not only is he a chill and outgoing person person but he's fair, he has staff experience and if the dude is going to college and maintaining his activity not as a regular moderator but as an ADMIN? That takes dedication and hard work. I'd say I'd have the right to vote but like I said, I'm no longer apart of the community, I can be in the forums from time to time when I'm not busy though. But not only has Pierre proven he's capable and passionate about this position, he's done way more for me than I think any other member in this community, He's helped me throughout my ban, given me advice, and talked it out with me and we communicated for almost a year dealing with all the roadblocks and issues with my ban, it didn't go as expected but I'm insanely grateful I had you by my side and you were the one who kept pushing me to keep goin', I appreciate you for that and I will always respect that. There's nothing stopping him and there won't be anything that 'II ever get in his way [unless it's something he has to attend to in real life]and that's something I really fuck with. 

I had to give a response to this application, especially with everything you've done for this community and myself as well.
The dude has true pride for this community, good luck, love you homie.

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