Make the 506th Bunks in the infernal night or somewhere else in base

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(1) In-game name & Steam ID (can be obtained by the TAB menu in game, or by using steamid.xyz) PFC Alex 'BoneZ' Grande STEAM_0:0:202563700 (2)Your suggestion: Add 506th Bunks to the infernal night or Somewhere else on base

(3) What made you feel that this change was necessary or would make a great addition: Well There is enough 506th members for us to have our own bunks and it will be great to have our bunks on the ship so we dont have to get AF to lift us up each time we do dropod training 

(4) List what you think (if any) could be possible negatives if your suggestion were to be added: N/A
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Its apart of AF job to do that, And the Infernal night Really bruh
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 A better suggestion would be like move all of the ODST to the Infernal Night...

1. Hellbringers never got there own bunks and they are separate from regular Marines. 


2. This is a base your supposed to be based there not on a ship that logically would be moving around and doing patrols etc.

3. AF dosent mind giving you rides up to the Infernal Night and I doubt Naval minds opening the hangar doors adding this would reduce/remove a form of rp. More then the portals do already.

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Uhhh wouldn't my opinion matter, since 506th is under my command and I'm the leader of it. Next time Bonez I would prefer if you talked to me before making suggestions related to 506th without my permission or even give me notice of such things.

Now, I'm not exactly against or for this. However I would like to point out some things, since 506th has recently been the punching bag lately from some people.

First this: Its apart of AF job to do that. When have we not used you guys to get to the ship? (When your online). This seems more like a emotional response, considering recent things AF members have said about 506th. The only time you guys fly people to the infernal night is us or for a mission (event), Since there's legit no other reason for anyone else to go up there. If you guys want more RP, then start trying to make RP instead of complaining about other regimentals.  Who said we wouldn't still try to make use of you guys, to get down to the base. The things you are complaining about are things that still can happen when AF are online. The only time the portal would and should be used is: No AF online which does happen, when the map first changes from a mission/event, since DB happens very quickly and a lot of you are slow to load in.

Second: Hellbringer never got there own bunks. Hell bringers are dead and they recently removed the CO job, thus making hellbringers fully apart of the marines. And your wrong as well, they did have their own bunks on the old map, end of point.

Third: This is a base, your supposed to be based on. There has been no mention of us being based here, the correct phase would be we all  ODST's are stationed with the infernal night. Not the base itself. A ship being placed above a FOB isn't uncommon at all.
Why would we stop patrolling, just because we are placed on the ship, that wouldn't make logical sense at all. ODST's are stationed with a ship not a FOB, there are plenty of reasons why, that should make sense.


Forth: A better suggestion would be to move all ODST's. Regular ODST's are dead, due to reasons you wouldn't care about, however I'm not against it. Again end of point.
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(10-12-2019, 01:26 AM)Androice Wrote: Uhhh wouldn't my opinion matter, since 506th is under my command and I'm the leader of it. Next time Bonez I would prefer if you talked to me before making suggestions related to 506th without my permission or even give me notice of such things.

Now, I'm not exactly against or for this. However I would like to point out some things, since 506th has recently been the punching bag lately from some people.

First this: Its apart of AF job to do that. When have we not used you guys to get to the ship? (When your online). This seems more like a emotional response, considering recent things AF members have said about 506th. The only time you guys fly people to the infernal night is us or for a mission (event), Since there's legit no other reason for anyone else to go up there. If you guys want more RP, then start trying to make RP instead of complaining about other regimentals.  Who said we wouldn't still try to make use of you guys, to get down to the base. The things you are complaining about are things that still can happen when AF are online. The only time the portal would and should be used is: No AF online which does happen, when the map first changes from a mission/event, since DB happens very quickly and a lot of you are slow to load in.

Second: Hellbringer never got there own bunks. Hell bringers are dead and they recently removed the CO job, thus making hellbringers fully apart of the marines. And your wrong as well, they did have their own bunks on the old map, end of point.

Third: This is a base, your supposed to be based on. There has been no mention of us being based here, the correct phase would be we all  ODST's are stationed with the infernal night. Not the base itself. A ship being placed above a FOB isn't uncommon at all.
Why would we stop patrolling, just because we are placed on the ship, that wouldn't make logical sense at all. ODST's are stationed with a ship not a FOB, there are plenty of reasons why, that should make sense.


Forth: A better suggestion would be to move all ODST's. Regular ODST's are dead, due to reasons you wouldn't care about, however I'm not against it. Again end of point.
So, My formatting was obviously shit because I was on my phone but now that I'm on my computer again I can respond here better.

Response to Point One: 
Honestly I don't know the reason for bringing up at least my own distaste for the current reach of what the 506th has access to (weapons, rp, vic, wise etc.) just to put the matter to rest my personal opinions don't get brought into things when I try to appeal to the mass of people meaning I'm looking at this suggestion from a SERVER standpoint not from what I personally would want. 

Sooo there has been multiple times where AF has been online and the portals to the Infernal Night have been used by ODST/506th to get to the drop pods for training or other things. Do I think that it removes a ton of rp no... but it still removes a form of rp that Naval and Air force can take part in and just puts them by the wayside kind of like random battalions having access to vics removing a form of rp from certain classes. 

As for AF wanting more rp I don't speak for the front of AF but... I haven't seen any Air force reject the chance to bring anyone anywhere I don't know how we get more rp without treading on Naval's toes I have ideas but again that would in my opinion fall into Naval lines things like (Documenting craft that enter the air space, communicating with opposing or allied naval vessels that enter the air space, ETC.) 

As for using the air force to get down that's just a personal doubt I'm 99% sure an ODST would rather use a pod to get down then use an aircraft to get down even if its more lore friendly to use the aircraft.


Response to Point Two: 
Just because a battalion is dead doesn't mean it can't be revived? Otherwise wouldn't that mean SF would just lose the brig? Also I don't remember the old base applying to the current base but if it somehow does then my bad I wasn't around for that base... but I still don't think that the bases are identical and thus would have to accommodate things differently that's logical in rp and out of rp just so you know.

Response to Point Three: 
This isn't an FOB... this is a MOB Since were using American Military Terms here is a link to MOB and a link to FOB definitions (Just to clarify these aren't the definitions by the DoD because those pertain to civilian access and facilities in a base)

FOB Definition link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_operating_base

MOB Definition link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Operating_Base

I would like to point out the fact that MOB has this little tid bit in it "Main Operating Base (MOB) is a term used by the United States military defined as a "permanently manned, well protected Military base, used to support permanently deployed forces, and with robust sea and/or air access." This term was used to differentiate major strategic overseas military facilities versus smaller, less secure or temporarily manned contingency tactical locations such as Forward Operating Bases, Forward Operating Sites, Cooperative Security Locations" 

Just to highlight... 

"Permanently Manned, Well Protected, Used to support permanently deployed forces, with robust sea and or/air access."

This is an MOB or Main Operating Base compared to an FOB which is

"A forward operating base (FOB) is any secured forward operational level military position, commonly a Military Base, that is used to support strategic goals and tactical objectives. A FOB may or may not contain an airfield, hospital, machine shop, or other logistical facilities. The base may be used for an extended period of time. FOBs are traditionally supported by Main Operating Bases that are required to provide backup support to them. A FOB also improves reaction time to local areas as opposed to having all troops on the main operating base."

"FOBs are traditionally supported by MOB's that are required to provide backup support to them" 

Last time I checked we don't have an MOB that we report in too or ask for back up with... typically we hold our ground if attacked and use the resources on base... also aren't a majority of our missions moving to support UNSC positions that have failed or been compromised... wouldn't that make us the MOB supporting smaller FOB's just some food for thought. 

Also just to pull from the MOB definition "Permanently Manned" meaning the MOB will have permanent facilities for a multitude of personnel that are PERMANANT and not temporary... meaning that since we are an MOB and not an FOB there is no reason for the ODST's to be sapping from the Infernal Nights supplies when they have a PERMANANT base below them with bunks that are again let me stress PERMANANT.

Just so everyone knows FOB's don't just take the main force and push to an objective FOB's are meant to sit there and defend while MOB's are there to set up situations to support FOB's from being attacked and counter attack when needed.

Thus the ODST's would be placed on the ground ready to push out when needed to other objectives and not staying with the ship...a great example of this is the US coast guard just if you were curious for an IRL example. 


The flaw I see with your system is you forget there is 4 let me repeat myself 4 positions that are UNSC/SOS made on the map and a huge ass base if you look to the south of ONI in the distance our map/base isn't an FOB its an MOB clearly.. 


Oh and also there is two ships in the airspace so one sitting there while another is patrolling wouldn't be unheard of I agree however I doubt most FOB's would have 2 ships just sitting in its airspace at all times... its almost like the ship is there waiting for an order to go support an FOB or other position...


Response to Point Four: 
Just because a battalion is "dead" doesn't mean it can't be revived making it an equal split makes more sense because according to you ODST's would be on the ship thus wouldn't all ODST's be on the ship not just a select few?

So again for all these reasons and more this is still a -1 from me

Any personal talks can be handled in discord and kept away from the forums btw.
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Well, here we go again. 
Since you believe that this is more of a personal thing, I regret to inform you that it isn't and everything I have said is merely being stated as facts, nothing more.
Nor am I trying to make you change your vote.  

Point one:  So there has been multiple times where AF has been online and the portals to the Infernal Night have been used by ODST/506th to get to the drop pods for training or other things. Do I think that it removes a ton of RP no... but it still removes a form of RP that Naval and Air force can take part in and just puts them by the wayside kind of like random battalions having access to vics removing a form of RP from certain classes. . I have already stated this but no your 100% wrong, 506th has never used the portal when AF are online. We have always used AF to get up to the ship for our trainings like i stated. Unless you have physical proof of this happening, then this is merely personal opinion rather then fact. (If i wanted to avoid RP with AF and navy, i could just put a jetpack on and fly up to the pod bay or use it to get to the ground, which HAS NEVER BEEN DONE). Like i said already, it doesn't remove that RP at all. In fact Navy/Spartans should be using AF to get down as well, however that isn't being done. If you don't like the fact that some battalions have access to vehicles, that are removing a forum of RP for you then make a suggestion.
As for AF wanting more RP I don't speak for the front of AF but... I haven't seen any Air force reject the chance to bring anyone anywhere I don't know how we get more RP without treading on Navel's toes I have ideas but again that would in my opinion fall into Naval lines things like (Documenting craft that enter the air space, communicating with opposing or allied naval vessels that enter the air space, ETC.)  I have never said anyway, that AF is rejecting to give a ride to anyone. There are plenty of ways for AF to RP that involve Passive means, there's also training which a lot of AF members need. (506th has training almost every other day.) There are plenty of ways to get RP that doesn't involve stepping on Navy's toes, Think of them for yourself or else there would be no point of me stating them.

Point two: Just because a battalion is dead doesn't mean it can't be revived? Otherwise wouldn't that mean SF would just lose the brig? Also I don't remember the old base applying to the current base but if it somehow does then my bad I wasn't around for that base... but I still don't think that the bases are identical and thus would have to accommodate things differently that's logical in RP and out of RP just so you know. A  battalion being dead was merely me stating something that is a issue, its not in anyway a point. You are taking it to the extreme for no reason at all, why would a battalion lose something because there dead? The old base had many things, that made more sense for regimentals then our current layout. A example is all regimentals (Examples Helllbringers, 506th and Biowar) having their own bunks.
There is a lot of wasted space and the move to this map was a very forced and pushed thing for many reasons. As for hellbringers, as it stands right now with no members in it and no CO to speak of, there's nothing you can really say or do about them. (Hellbringers have stated before that they need major changes and they never got those changes, thus leading them to leave it). A regiment that is alive and active is much more weight then one that isn't.

Point three: I don't need a definition of the difference between a FOB and MOB are. Halo does have a lot based on the current military, however you seem to forget that we are over 500 years into the future, a lot of has changed.
Onto the point that your really pushing,( I'm going keep calling It a FOB, because I want too at this point) It has never been stated anywhere, if this base is a FOB or a MOB hell we don't even have a name of the FOB yet, We don't even know where we are in the Sol system or if we are even in the Sol system. So everything you have just said is PERSONAL OPINION. Now getting to us supporting and being sent on a lot of missions, there are a lot of loopholes for reasons of RP. Why because it makes it easier for us to be able to go and do all kinds of things, there's also the fact that when ever a base is in trouble, we get called no again a lot of ships and bases get called even FOB's are called, there are huge differences  with how things work in halo then the military today.
ODST's are not stationed at ground locations, unless there are good reasons for them to be there(Like I said already a ship being placed above a FOB isn't uncommon). ODST's being placed on the ground when there's a ship directly above them, doesn't make any sense halo lore wise. A lot of the things you have said are completely based on this being a MOB and your points are flimsy at best, with you just copy and pasting stuff from Wiki and adding minor things here and there. There are plenty of places with more then one base on a planet, ONI has a FOB for many reasons that make sense lore wise why.

Point 4: Just because a battalion is "dead" doesn't mean it can't be revived making it an equal split makes more sense because according to you ODST's would be on the ship thus wouldn't all ODST's be on the ship not just a select few? I didn't say anywhere i was agasint the ODST's being placed on the ship as well, i merely said it made more sense for us to be placed on the ship. And if we are placed on the ship it makes more sense for us to have different bunks. We are both compltely different. 

This will seem a bit rushed, since i have a lot going on this weekend. So if a missed anything then thats fine.
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(10-12-2019, 12:34 PM)Androice Wrote: Well, here we go again. 
Since you believe that this is more of a personal thing, I regret to inform you that it isn't and everything I have said is merely being stated as facts, nothing more.
Nor am I trying to make you change your vote.  

Point one:  So there has been multiple times where AF has been online and the portals to the Infernal Night have been used by ODST/506th to get to the drop pods for training or other things. Do I think that it removes a ton of RP no... but it still removes a form of RP that Naval and Air force can take part in and just puts them by the wayside kind of like random battalions having access to vics removing a form of RP from certain classes. . I have already stated this but no your 100% wrong, 506th has never used the portal when AF are online. We have always used AF to get up to the ship for our trainings like i stated. Unless you have physical proof of this happening, then this is merely personal opinion rather then fact. (If i wanted to avoid RP with AF and navy, i could just put a jetpack on and fly up to the pod bay or use it to get to the ground, which HAS NEVER BEEN DONE). Like i said already, it doesn't remove that RP at all. In fact Navy/Spartans should be using AF to get down as well, however that isn't being done. If you don't like the fact that some battalions have access to vehicles, that are removing a forum of RP for you then make a suggestion.
As for AF wanting more RP I don't speak for the front of AF but... I haven't seen any Air force reject the chance to bring anyone anywhere I don't know how we get more RP without treading on Navel's toes I have ideas but again that would in my opinion fall into Naval lines things like (Documenting craft that enter the air space, communicating with opposing or allied naval vessels that enter the air space, ETC.)  I have never said anyway, that AF is rejecting to give a ride to anyone. There are plenty of ways for AF to RP that involve Passive means, there's also training which a lot of AF members need. (506th has training almost every other day.) There are plenty of ways to get RP that doesn't involve stepping on Navy's toes, Think of them for yourself or else there would be no point of me stating them.

Point two: Just because a battalion is dead doesn't mean it can't be revived? Otherwise wouldn't that mean SF would just lose the brig? Also I don't remember the old base applying to the current base but if it somehow does then my bad I wasn't around for that base... but I still don't think that the bases are identical and thus would have to accommodate things differently that's logical in RP and out of RP just so you know. A  battalion being dead was merely me stating something that is a issue, its not in anyway a point. You are taking it to the extreme for no reason at all, why would a battalion lose something because there dead? The old base had many things, that made more sense for regimentals then our current layout. A example is all regimentals (Examples Helllbringers, 506th and Biowar) having their own bunks.
There is a lot of wasted space and the move to this map was a very forced and pushed thing for many reasons. As for hellbringers, as it stands right now with no members in it and no CO to speak of, there's nothing you can really say or do about them. (Hellbringers have stated before that they need major changes and they never got those changes, thus leading them to leave it). A regiment that is alive and active is much more weight then one that isn't.

Point three: I don't need a definition of the difference between a FOB and MOB are. Halo does have a lot based on the current military, however you seem to forget that we are over 500 years into the future, a lot of has changed.
Onto the point that your really pushing,( I'm going keep calling It a FOB, because I want too at this point) It has never been stated anywhere, if this base is a FOB or a MOB hell we don't even have a name of the FOB yet, We don't even know where we are in the Sol system or if we are even in the Sol system. So everything you have just said is PERSONAL OPINION. Now getting to us supporting and being sent on a lot of missions, there are a lot of loopholes for reasons of RP. Why because it makes it easier for us to be able to go and do all kinds of things, there's also the fact that when ever a base is in trouble, we get called no again a lot of ships and bases get called even FOB's are called, there are huge differences  with how things work in halo then the military today.
ODST's are not stationed at ground locations, unless there are good reasons for them to be there(Like I said already a ship being placed above a FOB isn't uncommon). ODST's being placed on the ground when there's a ship directly above them, doesn't make any sense halo lore wise. A lot of the things you have said are completely based on this being a MOB and your points are flimsy at best, with you just copy and pasting stuff from Wiki and adding minor things here and there. There are plenty of places with more then one base on a planet, ONI has a FOB for many reasons that make sense lore wise why.

Point 4: Just because a battalion is "dead" doesn't mean it can't be revived making it an equal split makes more sense because according to you ODST's would be on the ship thus wouldn't all ODST's be on the ship not just a select few? I didn't say anywhere i was agasint the ODST's being placed on the ship as well, i merely said it made more sense for us to be placed on the ship. And if we are placed on the ship it makes more sense for us to have different bunks. We are both compltely different. 

This will seem a bit rushed, since i have a lot going on this weekend. So if a missed anything then thats fine.

You kinda didn't read my points and just repeated yourself So I'm not gonna put any effort into replying and also. All I'm gonna say is if we were being fully lore friendly the 506th wouldn't have "recon" tanks anyways you can edit in actual responses when you read my points or I can just keep my -1
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Clearly you didn't read then.
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(10-12-2019, 01:26 AM)Androice Wrote: Uhhh wouldn't my opinion matter, since 506th is under my command and I'm the leader of it. Next time Bonez I would prefer if you talked to me before making suggestions related to 506th without my permission or even give me notice of such things.
I will have time to comment fully on the suggestion later but I will quickly note that bonez is absolutely fine to post a suggestion about ANY battalion, it is a server suggestion and anyone can make one when they wish to without permission from any NCO/officer/CO/staff member or similar. In this case your opinion, and the opinion of the other 506 members, is heavily valued as it effects you as a player and you specifically Aura, as a CO.

Just want to make it clear that nobody should be penalised for making a legitimate suggestion. Although I do agree you're opinion is particularly important in this case
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