HWRP Staff Inactivity

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^ above is a list of some of the staff members activity (I am aware that it’s not always accurate but it does give a general idea of activity)




Addressing the staff activity

It’s been an issue for a while but now it’s getting kind of ridiculous, the issue that is going to be addressed is the staff activity. Most of the staff members before they pass trial, they are VERY active. When they get their perms for mod their activity drops tremendously, this simply shows that when they aren’t closely monitored they drop everything to do something else.

Keeping Power Held

This one is addressed more towards upper management when it comes to dealing with inactivity. When you guys vote on trials you go over applications and review them. One of the things that all applicants agree to is this “Do you understand you can be let go at ANY time for inactivity?”. But the issue is that no one is ever let go. People are allowed to keep their positions for a dumb amount of time. There are staff members currently who have not logged in for months or maintain their position because of their relationship with the staff team. 

Other Games???

Another problem right now is that staff spend all their time on a different game. Yes, I get that you want to play other games and you don’t have to dedicate all your time to SBS but if all of you are getting to the point of spending all day on a different game and neglecting the problems that occur on the server during prefect law then you guys are part of the issue. Keep in mind that all of you applied for your positions and agreed to uphold standards.

“It does get pretty hard to enjoy the server with the amount of minges because of lack of staff”

“Having to deal with all the minges without any help is a pain in the ass”

“Where are all the active staff”

^Comments from a few members around the server



All comments, suggestions, or problems in the post. Are simply to address the problem and not be disrespectful in any way possible. I am making this post NOT to call anyone out but just to show that the people active on the server are a bit confused on why nothing has happened in a long time.
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Dammm... I don't know if those Gametracker Player Time are indeed from Staff members (Someone would have to check it), but I think it's clear for everyone that this is an issue that is been going on for a long time. If I'm being honest there is only a couple of staff members that I see regularly. Now I have not been playing for too long maybe like 5 months, but since that time I feel like there are quite a lot of staff members that I just don't see doing shit (maybe they do it behind the scenes, maybe). Respect to those that do play, because you are giving time to the server and making things far better with your presence. But if a staff member is inactive for long periods of time than you should "Let it Go". But it is getting annoying in how people become staff play a lot in their Trial and then just almost "stop" playing.

Edit 1: Reply to Eviscerate

Those "insanely talented individuals" you are talking about are nothing but words if they do nothing. They might have earned their stripes, but does that make anything right? Looking at their past achievements is fine but that shouldn't be a deciding factor. A thing people say when others are doing an application is "You should play more so that the community knows you better" and that should still be the same for Staff members. We all wonder if some Staff members even know the current community, because sometimes that just doesn't show. You say GM shouldn't even be in this discussion, why? Gamemakers like everyone else should know the current community, if you don't even know that, how could their events even work? GM/Moderators and Admins goal should be to enforce outside RP situations and to create an environment where new and old players can have fun in (Of course GM should focus more on the second part). If a time comes that members of the Staff are not doing those two things than they should be let go.

PS. "valued community member". Giving that to a member that doesn't know the current community is kinda dumb in my opinion.
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(06-25-2020, 06:51 AM)Fredy Bubbles Wrote: Dammm... I don't know if those Gametracker Player Time are indeed from Staff members (Someone would have to check it), but I think it's clear for everyone that this is an issue that is been going on for a long time. If I'm being honest there is only a couple of staff members that I see regularly. Now I have not been playing for too long maybe like 5 months, but since that time I feel like there are quite a lot of staff members that I just don't see doing shit (maybe they do it behind the scenes, maybe). Respect to those that do play, because you are giving time to the server and making things far better with your presence. But if a staff member is inactive for long periods of time than you should "Let it Go". But it is getting annoying in how people become staff play a lot in their Trial and than just almost "stop" playing.

This has been happening for more than a year now. Once they get staff or higher, they disappear.

Edit: waiting to see nothing happen because all staff are friends kek
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Like Garbo said this has been happening for about over a year now and keeps going downhill even more. I understand some people need to go on LOA for stuff like vacations, school and work but if you cant be active for a long time then just resign or you should be demoted. It gets very frustrating how staff are active until full mod or admin then aren’t. Also when prefect law it you cant have fun because of minges and then you see staff play other games which obviously they would want to but also should be coming on and help.

(Sorry if hard to understand, typing on phone and autocorrect is shit)
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Ngl this shit has me tilted as well
I'd like to see some brutal crackdowns on activity.

You see, the reason staff can just be absent for months at a time is because all you have to do is give a personal reason, and then, in the eyes of the rest of the staff team, you are recognized as being on 'Leave of Absence'. There are no consequences for this obviously, if for medical, personal, or situational reasons you need time away from the server that's fine.

But, in my opinion, being away for months at a time is ludicrous.
At that rate, you really ought' to just resign.

Also, another problem: to my knowledge the staff team doesn't actually have any objective standard to determine what is 'inactive' and what is 'active'. It isn't written down anywhere. It is generally accepted GMs are held to a lesser standard than moderators, and admins are held to a higher standard than both GMs and mods--- but this 'standard' isn't actually posited anywhere. I always found that rather stupid. It should be universally known. Even the standards that do exist are not reflecting reality. For example, GMs are required to pool together to ensure one among them produces a thread in event announcements so that at least one event per week ('the minimum') is being announced. This requirement is really not being enforced at all, and frankly, the GMs are more distant from one another than I'd like them to be. I only ever really speak with two of them.

A good staff team would, in my opinion, have objective standards to apply so that way when staff are not meeting these they can be reasonably expected to justify their absence. Methinks, after several family deaths, personal obligations, or whatever, when they are lined up and happen in quick succession (or way too frequently to the point of ludicrousy), they'd eventually have to be viewed with suspicion.


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Kinda toxic ngl but i see why this troubles you..

Names should be kept incognito and head of staff should deal with it(if needed).

In my opinion i think this should be adressed
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I believe your frustrations are directed toward moderating staff, if any of those activity trackers were observed from creative staff they are irrelevant to this discussion.

Insofar as the punitive staff goes, yes- there are major disparities in activity. There are former staff who still play on SBS who would still be staff had they not willingly stepped down knowing that they were going to not be able to dedicate as much time to the server (and yes they still play more than the inactive people the OP is probably referring to). You'll notice that once weekly during prime time you are guaranteed to have almost no staff online, and that is when they meet during the meetings. 

I have much to say on this subject but I will tell you this; as a player if I have ever needed a mod online I either spoke with one of them or I pinged them on the SBS discord (@mod @admin)

There's no use in denying the fact that there are some mostly inactive staff who are mods/admins since you're bringing the activity tracker up. These individuals may or may not be active at staff meetings but serve to give an overall impression on an applicant from reports (both formal and informal, perhaps something said from a player). These may also be insanely talented individuals and it would be foolish to remove them or force them to go through the hassle of a public application to be reinstated to the rank that they formally stepped down from. They earned their stripes for their efforts in the past and hold a rank that requires experience and asks for their input on matters concerning the development of the team. They have a well-stacked vision of precedence in their mind that is probably called upon. It's unfortunate to see many of these people fall off in activity, but life happens. The path to getting that rank can be arduous- not everyone is handed that role, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that some people will do the bare minimum activity to keep their slot in the eventuality that they become active again. But if someone is inactive, how can adding an active person with the same permissions do any harm?

I would argue that there should be a way to transition that role into something that still has some level of importance and ability to contribute, becoming a "valued community member" probably isn't enough for people who willingly step down. And what's with this fascination with "slots," be they mod slots, gm slots, or admin slots? Why does one need to be freed up for someone to be considered to take the place? In my estimation, it seems to be about maintaining comfort levels by artificially keeping the team numbers lower than necessary until a solution is realized. 

Another topic that's being ignored is burnout. If you speak with the mods for any amount of time they'll tell you about SBS burnout. Dealing with rule breakers all day, you can do 99 right things but the only thing you'll be remembered for is the 1 wrong or questionable thing you did and got staff reported for and shit on in a public report as a result (this doesn't refer to abuse/interpersonal/personality issues that perpetuate conflict, this is more along the lines of a harsh punishment, improper use of oommands, etc). Not being able to RP anymore, even a little, may also come as a huge blow to the mods/admins, and you'll see their activity fall off more and more once the novelty of ULX commands and being the arbiter of right and wrong wears off. 

Anyways, I can go on and on about this, but it's best I just leave my 2c here. 
 
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I agree. This has been an issue for a very long time and it is prefect law way more often than it should ever be. I understand life can get in the way or sometimes one might feel like playing something else, but it has undoubtedly been ridiculous. Unfortunately, to get to the root of the problem you have to look to the top of the hierarchy; if the higher-ups don't make time to get on the server very often then how can they possibly enforce other staff hopping on regularly? And especially without looking like hypocrites?

Again, I understand that life takes priority. I also won't be presumptuous enough to really comment on the fact that staff members are playing other games at times when they could be helping out by hopping on the server during prefect law because it's not really my business. But as Gina said, why not just resign if you cannot or will not make time to staff? And why isn't more staff being hired? Those of us who play prefect try to maintain order as best as we can, but often times it simply isn't enough. Yes, reports of serious rule breaking can always be made but fun on the server is ruined for usually hours at a time while the really bad minges are allowed to run amok and not face consequences until someone on the staff finally decides to log on. Which, again, can easily not be for hours. And going around collecting sufficient evidence to make reports instead of RPing isn't fun at all and takes up way too much time. 

Yes, assisting staff is the reason why prefects exist in the first place but the job of prefects is to lead, enforce rules, and make decisions within RP and the job of staff is to lead, enforce rules, and make decisions outside of RP; therefore when we're gathering evidence to get rulebreakers off the server, what we're really doing is the staff's job except we can't punish anyone in any meaningful way.

There is a lot to this problem and I'm really hoping it can be seriously addressed, although forgive me if I don't have much faith that it ever will be.
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Pfffttt making me laugh nothing will happen from this been a issue for ages and nothing changes mate
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(06-25-2020, 08:40 AM)Jacktot Wrote: Pfffttt making me laugh nothing will happen from this been a issue for ages and nothing changes mate

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It seems like a curse, people apply for staff and do the right things, but as soon as they get accepted they just become inactive.

Im not naming names but i can think of plenty of people who looked like they were going to be a decent staff member, only to get the position and start playing other games lmao

Its like why waste everyones time? players make an effort commenting on staff apps to show support, and then they just abandon the duties that come with the role anyway.

What can even be done though? we cant physically make people come online to staff, if they wanna neglect their duties to the server thats on them.

Edit: Also yea like Blake said another problem is people who apply for staff and are not given the chance, even though they are actually active on the server and know the rules.

Surely having someone as staff who has been previously questionable, is better than having no staff and endless PLAW most of the day.
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